Monday, September 2, 2013

Can You Drink Alcohol With a Histamine Condition?

I like being your guinea pig when it comes to foods but I have to admit I like being your guinea pig when it comes to alcohol. Especially because I rarely ever drink and when I do, it reminds me of how sometimes it's a "good" thing.

I've done "some" research on the whole should I or can I drink alcohol with a histamine condition. For the most part the answer is no. However, if you take your Histame pills with you and take them prior to drinking it "may" help. The reason why I say may help is because I've used these twice prior to drinking and one time it worked and the other time it helped in the short term but the next day I was pretty much out of commission. And noooo, I didn't drink myself into oblivion so it wasn't a "hang over" per say.

First off I've read that we sicko's can have rum, vodka and gin. I've tackled this one minus the gin, haven't tried that one yet, but here is what happened to me.

Vodka:  Huuuuuge NO NO, first off potatoes kick my ass in a major way and vodka is made from potatoes so that should of been a no brainer for me. I didn't even have a shot, maybe a 1/2 of a shot of vodka and like 20 minutes later my ears were on fire, I mean red, BRIGHT red and felt warm to the touch and itched. Not a good look for me especially since I wore my hair up that night. DOH!! I do want to add I was an idiot and DID NOT take a Histame pill prior to drinking this, I know, I know what an ass. So it's hard to say at this point whether or not I would have been fine had I did. I do know I will never drink vodka again because I'm scared of potatoes anyways LOL.

Rum: Not gonna lie, in my single days Malibu Rum was my go to alcohol and I loved it. Of course I was poor so I would get my drink on before I arrived at the club, ya know, to keep things cheap. Anyhoo I used to mix mine with orange juice but citrus is completely out of the question and even though I did take my Histame pills prior to consumption I wasn't going to stack my odds too high against myself. So I chose coke as my poison to mix it with (no, not cocaine, coca-cola, I swear where is YOUR mind at?) Soda usually has a bunch of crap in it and coke probably is the worst since it can actually eat the acid off your car battery in a matter of minutes. But hey, you don't have much of a choice when out and about. So, about 15 minutes after consuming my Histame pill I indulged. It tasted great and no immediate negative response (even ate the cherry!). I took one more Histame and ordered another glass and then another. I took only a total of 2 Histames and drank 3 Malibu and cokes and was fine. I didn't even get a buzz which is odd because wine makes my clothes fall off and somehow makes my tongue stop working, but that's neither here nor there. Bottom line is, for me anyways, Malibu and coke worked, with Histame that is. Not sure if I would of reacted without Histame or not. I wasn't ballsy enough to try but either way I'm happy that if I do ever go out again I can rest assured that I will not have a reaction immediate or a few days later. Thumbs up on this mixed drink.

Then I REALLY tested Histame and went for the gusto WINE.....the fermented mamma of all mamma's, hey if you're gonna go big why not go really really BIG!

Wine: Okay I love my wine, hell I'm Italian it's in my blood to love wine! But alas, wine does not like me since this whole histamine condition started. Which really is a no brainer since it's fermented and contains sulphites. If any alcohol is going to f**k you up it WILL be wine. I took a Histame pill prior to consumption of my first glass and about two more Histame pills later throughout the night. I drank a total of 4 glasses of wine. I was drunk, which was very odd because 4 glasses of wine don't get me "drunk", horny yes, drunk no. Which leads me to believe the research I read on how histamine intolerant people make ethanol naturally in their bodies and so that explains the foggy brain thinking etc. because we are basically intoxicated all the time. Weird huh!? Anyhoo, because wine is so heavily fermented and contributes to more histamine, than say maybe the rum makes you get drunk quicker??? I don't know just a thought. All I know is generally 4 glasses of wine don't get me a drunk so there must be a theory somewhere in there that is correct. Initially the Histame pills helped, now, the next day was horrible I mean horrible!  Major migraine, dizziness, nausea, the poops (TMI), and general malaise and feeling pretty much like shit. This lasted most of the day. So it is MY thought that the Histame pills didn't quite work like they were supposed to because the day after my shitty day my right eye swelled. So I feel like this justifies my statement in my blog entry regarding Histame that sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't and sometimes it works in the short term only. Either way no more wine for this Italian. I'll stick to my rum and cokes thank you very much!

I'm not a huge gin drinker so it's a pretty safe bet you'll have to try that one out for yourself. Although gin is probably the winner in what we can drink because it is the only one of the three that is not fermented when it's being made. So someone maaaay be able to consume gin without even taking a Histame who knows. If you do happen to try it out with the Histame or not, let me know!

---Side note, I wanted to add that the night of rum drinking I DID also consume a Zyrtec after my first drink (antihistamine) so I'm not sure if that contributed to me not having a reaction or if it was just over kill on my part. One should probably not consume antihistamines with alcohol however it did NOT affect me negatively in anyway.


13 comments:

  1. This is another example of how we are all so different. I personally can drink vodka all night and feel totally fine but then I have no reactions to potatoes so that could probably be it. I do take an extra dose of Vitamin C after and thats about it.

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  2. Have you ever tried the GAPS diet? I suffer from symptoms of HIT and Candida overgrowth. These last two months have been hell. I did the whole 30 and my entire body downward spiraled. I'm scared to eat anything as I am currently hive ridden on my face from the holiday meal. I would do anything to go back two months ago and punch myself and say, don't do it, it will f- you potentially for the rest of your life. Please help!

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    1. Hell no!!! GAPS will mess you up if you have HI..which seems to be what has happened to you. I know it's a catch 22 because you do need to heal your gut to close up the holes in your intestines to stop the histamine/proteins from getting back into your blood stream BUT the foods in GAP are high in histamine (I'm speaking of course of the bone broth) slow cooked protein spells death for any HI sufferer (of course I don't mean that in the literal sense but the I feel like shit sense). Please read my blog regarding the protocol that healed me and I recommend. You will also find a food list from Germany that helps you choose what to eat and is one of the most comprehensive lists and the least contradicting that I found. Not every "body" is the same so some can eat things others can't so it's kind of a wait and see game after you eat sometimes. I'm sure you're aware of the candida diet which you should go on for your yeast problem. You should also make sure you're sweating 5-6 times a day to help rid those toxins in your body that helps with candida as well. A sauna would be perfect if you have access to one at your gym etc. some say elevated levels of progesterone causes yeast over growth so you may want to get your levels checked via a saliva test. Much health to you keep me posted!

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  3. Still learning my body...but I'm wondering if Tequila is a low histamine alcohol...I tested the waters with 1 reposado marg last night and I woke up a bit tummy upset but not the usual 4-6 hour vomiting bile fest I have experienced with Beer and Cider.

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    1. Hi Rachel thanks for visiting my blog! As I mentioned early on in this post I did only a bit of research on alcohol and HI gin seems to be what's highly recommended as it doesn't go through a fermentation phase. So you could try that and see what happens. I'm not sure off the top of my head if tequila is fermented initially or not but if it is you'd probably want to stay away from it. It the short term it may of only affected your tummy slightly but remember your "histamine bucket" you're probably adding to it with drinking in general. Since curing myself of HI some years ago I no longer have the occasional drink anyways because I'm a serious weight trainer and into fitness, so I haven't studied anymore regarding the alcohol effects on HI. I encourage you to read all of my posts including my latest ones regarding parasites I think you will find them both interesting and helpful 😊. I wish you health and healing!!

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    2. Hi there. I'm a 41 year old RN in the early stages of trying to find a diagnosis for probable Histamine Intolerance or some other Mast Cell disorder. My bday is next week and I'm exploring my cocktail options. Can I ask, how did you get a diagnosis? Did your Family Practice doctor test you or did you turn to someone in alternative medicine? Thanks, Jenn, RN

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    3. No I didn't get a diagnosis from a doctor, quite frankly American doctors are quite ignorant of this condition. Doctors in Germany seem to be the most knowledgeable regarding this condition however. Doctors just wanted to throw prednisone at me ...SMH. I actually self diagnosed myself through extensive research on my own comparing my symptoms and reading through quite a few German research. Turns out I was correct and cured myself and continue to be free of this horrible condition. Sometimes we have to be proactive with our health care because modern medicine isn't always helpful or just simply don't know.

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    4. What did you cure yourself against an allergy to alcohol?

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  4. I can't drink beer of any kind, wine of any kind, but I can drink gin. I get hives and intense itching from anything loaded with histamines...avocados, tomatoes, potatoes, blah, blah, BLAH. I don't want to live if I can't sand the edge off life, so I'm grateful for a couple of Sahara-dry martinis (read: a glass full of chilled gin with NO vermouth) practically every evening. What? Is my life an episode of Bewitched? Maybe. Glad I found your blog.

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  5. Just starting to read about Histamines and DAO, as I've been dealing with GI problems for some years now. Anyway, thanks for taking the time to post this - but I want to let you know, rarely is any Vodka made from Potatoes anymore. It's mostly grain. All of the popular vodkas are made from grain, with Smirnoff and Titos being made from Corn instead of barley. Ciroc is made from grapes. But Absolut, Stoli, Grey Goose etc. - that's all from grains. The only potato Vodka I can think of off the top of my head is LiV, which is from Long Island, New York.

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  6. I have discovered that I can drink whisky (rye) especially Canadian whisky without getting the usual migraine as I do from wine, champagne, vodka, etc. I can't even tolerate foods cooked with wine. Rye and ginger with some ginger syrup and a lime is delicious.

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  7. Hi have sevear histamine intolerance it's really affecting my life can't eat hardly anything without facial swelling, headache, feeling foggy brain and I'm hung over! Really want to enjoy a couple of drinks on my birthday could you please tell me what histamine tablets you took before drinking? I'm at the end of my tether and willing to try anything thanks Jemma London

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    1. Like I mentioned in this blog entry you're commenting on, I used Histame and took Zyrtec as well. Stay away from vodka and wine as well as any dark alcohol like jack Daniels for example. Run was about all I could handle.

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